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Are you seriously interested in buying a cyber truck? Why, its their 3rd best selling model?

Tesla is a ruined brand currently. Only one reason for that. Flipping the double rods to your biggest customer base has consequences.

The Cybertruck, however, is ridiculous. It looks incredibly stupid, and the QC is severely lacking. No coincidence it was Elon’s baby. It’s really hard for me to look at one and not think ā€œCyberdorkā€. I thought this before Elon became what he is, I think it now, and I will always think it. It’s an abomination.

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Yeah, I like teslas. But the cyber truck is awful.

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No, not at all; will be looking for an EV family/passenger vehicle.
Cybertruck has too many problems; you expect there to be issues
with any new model…but imho, the cybertruck has fundamental design
flaws.

That’s kinda my point about it being their 3rd best selling vehicle. It’s sales
are now in the tank after the earlier adopters embraced it. Tesla is in trouble
as a car company. Hey maybe it’s robotaxi rollout in just a few days will justify
the companies P/e ratio, or the robot in every home will be THE next big thing.
But as a car company it’s in a bad spot now.

Tesla’s Cybertruck sales figures show a mixed picture. While the vehicle ended 2024 as America’s best-selling electric pickup, with approximately 39,000 units sold, sales have recently been declining. In the first quarter of 2025, sales dropped significantly, with Cox Automotive estimating just 6,406 units sold.

Musk predicted selling 250,000 per year, and now its peak year was 40,000 and
trend is pointing downward. I see that as a big problem, don’t you ?

Why are you so focused on the cyber truck if you’re not interested in buying one? And your perceived decline of Tesla, never mind that their stock is up $100 from a year ago. Ask yourself that.

Everyone says the same thing about the cybertruck. ā€œI didn’t like the look but then I got inside and, wow, what a vehicle!ā€

I want to know; new information may change my mind. Cybertruck has a big
investment footprint. So I care.

Tesla’s stock price is, and really always has been, an investors dream of potential in the next big thing. People are buying the stock because they believe in a future
that Musk is selling. There is no way to justify the P/E as a car company. Real
FSD mode does not yet exist and Musk has been selling it for years now with
fictitious dates. His robotics stick may hit. Or maybe AI. Or robotaxi . But I suspect he willbreak those off from the car company. As a car company I don’t see a robust future. I see newer vehicles and newer competitors and cars that have real service
departments.

Musk is a genius and has written his name in history books for EVs and rocketry.
However he is 0 for 2 on starship launches in 2025 and the 3rd attemp is on hold
pending resolution of failure #2 investigation.

Just because he is genius in some areas does not make him correct about all things. I don’t hero worship him.

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Elon has damaged the Tesla brand and anyone who says he hasn’t is just kidding themselves.

But putting that aside and looking at the Tesla offerings. The cybertruck is like the Aztek by Pontiac and is just hideous.

Tesla has long struggled with QC and not just with the Cybertruck and have had the EV lane to themselves but that has changed and the advantage they had is waning. If you look closely at Teslas financials you will see they are only profitable due to the carbon tax credits, if those go away, Tesla will be in deep trouble.

Their line up of cars has not had any significant style redesign in years and quite honestly their cars look stale. I am not saying they are ugly, simply not fresh.

Early this year I rode in 2 different Chinese EVs and I was blown away by the quality, ride, options and style. I realized why those brands are growing so quickly and American car companies are falling behind and if given an opportunity for the Chinese EV companies to sell in the US, it would not be good for American car companies.

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ā€œThere’s something quintessentially American about how we build cars: big-hearted, overpromised, underdelivered, and deeply emotional. We can land a rover on Mars, but ask us to align a bumper flush and we act like you’ve invented fire. That legacy continues into our brave new electric future.ā€

ā€œModel 3: the iPhone of EVs. It just works but it’s a little boring.ā€

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I don’t see anyone here complaining about, say, the Volkswagen IDBuzz. Which is probably 10 times worse than the cyber truck. Or any of the Volvo offerings. But I get it, it’s hard to separate things that are fed to you everyday.

No way. The VW van is pretty sweet.

I have no idea what the Volvo EV looks like but those things are always ugly.

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So sweet you can find them languishing at dealer lots with lots of incentives.

They can’t sell the cybertruck now either.

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In what way is it 10 times worse ?

It’s only been available in N America since…2025.
It’s styling looks like a modern refresh of a 1960s VW bus; retro
appeal maybe ?

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It seems to have ample accessibility with the doors like the
mini vans of the 80s

Just giving you hard numbers and trying to steer clear of the personal take aspect
of it how it looks. But imho, the buzz styling is not anything radical like the angular
cybertruck.

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I don’t see a negative sales drop for the Buzz.

But maybe you’re right and dealers here are having trouble moving them now
after a successful Q1 launch. Maybe there are issues with it too. It’s so new here,
I don’t know.

What I’m seeing is they are really expensive and the range sucks, although people generally like how they look.

It’s hard to get someone to drop $70K for something with a 230 mile range.

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Yeah, and this…

Built in Hanover, Germany, and therefore ineligible for the federal $7,500

On looks and functionality, it seems great. But that’s a very limited range for
that price point.

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But somehow, no one ever mentioned the ID buzz, just the cyber truck, hmmmm, wonder why?

Because they aren’t fugly?

As I’ve said, I like tesla cars but the cybertruck is pretty awful. It’s begging to be made fun of.

I think the ID Buzz looks pretty cool (I like the retro look) but no chance I’m dropping that much for something with a range of 230 miles.

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Sounds like you’re saying the Cybertruck is a ā€œbutterfaceā€.

Someone has to marry them.