How does UH’s Greek enrollment compare with other big city commuter schools. I’ve always thought that being a commuter school hurt the Greek system.
If the B1G was willing to add a crappy football brand in UCLA, because of their market, they’d add the University of Houston
B1G wanted USC, but to get USC to date, USC said we need to bring along my friend. And like real life, B1G wasn’t happy about it but went along.
I agree…
If they are willing to take a mediocre UCLA football brand just to get into Los Angeles and California then there is precedent to get into Texas.
UCLA was averaging just over 40k when they received an invitation.
Hardly a brand that fills a 110k seat stadium every week
The topic up top was about 12th man donations.
263 post and I understand we are next up for the B1G conference. Great news.
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There are too many people here who have deluded themselves into believing that the B1G wants us.
The reality is, if they wanted to raid SEC territory and get into a Southern market, they’d just go ahead and snatch up Miami and GaTech.
Both AAU schools, unlike UH.
And if getting into TX were a priority for them….they’d have gone after UT and aTm eons ago.
The fact that they haven’t should tell you that getting into TX AIN’T a priority for the B1G.
I don’t really believe we are on the big 10’s radar for now. But I stand by my belief that A&M and UT are off the table so if the big wants in Texas it’s us, smu,tcu and tech and if we get our act together in football, if I was going longterm and the big market like it hike they would, I’d honestly pick us. The thought would be our brand would grow . I agree it might not ever happen unless we become AAU and football picks up. Tech even if they become great still lacks the market capture.
So for now , your right
If UT and aTm are off the table, then the B1G simply won’t expand into TX.
Not sure why some people keep asking “if.”
It’s a non-starter if they can’t get an AAU member, value additive brand.
Only UT and aTm would fit that bill.
So the only “if” that people should consider is this one:
IF UT and aTm are off the table….then the B1G AIN’T coming to TX.
They did go after UT…UT picked the SEC over them.
With UT and TAMU off the board, their Texas options are Texas Tech or Houston.
With UH positioning itself as UT v2.0, there is potential there.
We have 5-10 years before the 2 x 24 is finalized so we still have time to rise up the Academic + athletic ranks.
If we start seeing AAU support from B1G schools then we know they’ve targeted us
We are in a massive market, the B1G would benefit.
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First of all, the B1G never invited UT. That’s false.
Obviously TX is not a priority state for the B1G, given that. So don’t imagine that the B1G thinks that it HAS to be here.
And if UT and aTm are off the board, as YOU say, then the B1G is OUT of TX options, because no other TX school offers both AAU and a value additive brand.
UH offers neither.
No need for a TX school anyway. They are #1 in money without it.
No need for this market either. Again, #1 money conference without it.
If they want to raid SEC territory just for the sake of invading their turf (I don’t find that to be a compelling hypo, but I’ll humor 3rdward), they’ll go for Miami or GaTech. AAU, bigger brands, and even large markets, to the extent that that matters (and markets don’t matter decisively any more).
ZERO reason to believe that the B1G would be interested in UH, or benefit extensively from it.
UH would be a value dilutive brand.
If you dont think THE University of Texaa didn’t use every ounce.of leverage between deciding to join the SEC or B1G to get the best deal possible then I have great ocean view property in Arizona to sell you.
Texas had an open invitation to any conference!
No invite came from the B1G. I’m sure they were considered, but in the end, they were not invited.
Only ND should be thought of as having an open invite to the B1G.
And if you believe that the B1G is going to take a value dilutive brand and Non-AAU school like UH, just for the sake of having a school in TX which they’ve never needed in order to be the top money conference…then I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona that I’d like to sell YOU!
I believe if you ask Texas to join your conference, you better be prepared to take Oklahoma. Texas vs OU will not jeopardize their annual rivalry. OU was a natural fit for the SEC, but since they are not AAU, they do not fit the B1G profile. No OU, no Texas. It is that simple.
The Big10 easily took UCLA, USC, Oregon and Washington. They are in the right states.
With all due respect, UT doesn’t need an invite from anyone. They can join any conference they want at any time. If UT approached the B1G, you damn well know the B1G would’ve taken them.
You can’t spout all your claims about brands and markets and all that, but then flip and say UT wouldn’t get invited.
With that said, the problem with your arguments is that you only use current information and standards to justify your claims.
I think anyone on this forum would assume that UH would already have AAU membership prior to hypothetically joining the B1G. Yet you keep using that as an obstacle to justify claims that are, again, hypothetical in nature regardless of how unlikely they may seem on the surface.
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As I said, IF the B1G truly wanted a school in TX, then UT and aTm would be the target schools.
NOT UH.
The fact that they haven’t issued such an invite shows that they have little to no desire to add any TX schools.
UH isn’t AAU, and would NOT add value to the B1G. UH would only dilute it.
UT and aTm are both AAU and would add value. See the difference?
And with all due respect, no, the B1G never issued an invite to UT. It’s simply a statement of fact. Not sure that either school ever approached the B1G, but that’s neither here nor there. It’s a FACT that the B1G NEVER invited either one, and as such, it’s silly to say that UT turned the B1G down, as Cullen suggested. He cannot claim that UT turned the B1G down when the B1G never invited them. That would be like saying you turned down a girl that never propositioned you, on the theory that you can have any girl and that goes without saying. NOT a safe proposition.
As for adding a school in SEC territory just for the sake of invading their territory, if it can’t be UT or aTm, then it wouldn’t be a TX school, simply because no other TX school would give them what they need: AAU AND a big brand.
I doubt they have any real desire to do such a thing (though it’s a nice hypo, I guess), but the truth is, if that were the B1G’s goal, then Miami or GaTech would give them an AAU school, a bigger brand, and large markets right in the heart of the SEC’s most fanatical and historical region. All the advantages of raiding SEC territory can be gained WITHOUT sacrificing their AAU standards, or diluting their value as much.
For those reasons, if that were the B1G’s goal (and I think it’s far fetched to believe that it is; there’s no evidence that the B1G has such a goal, so why make such an assumption?), then that’s who they’d invite.
NOT UH.
UT and A&M. What a popular, monthly topic on this board.
I literally just said that in any situation UH joins a conference that requires AAU, it’s under the assumption that UH is already there.
I wasn’t aware that they invited you to the meetings, Law
Miami (and FSU) is way too far for a B1G invite. You’re talking about 4 west coast schools that would have to travel across the entire country to play Baseball, Tennis and Water Polo.
Georgia doesn’t have a single city with over a million people. As I’ve pointed out before, Texas has 3, soon to be 4 if Austin continues to grow.
Also, GTech has a similar fan base to UH.
Any invite would be in writing. No writing, no proof. No proof, no case. Case dismissed.
Not a safe assumption at all. Don’t assume what isn’t there. UH becoming AAU may be years down the road, if even then. DON’T count your chickens before they are hatched.
They already have to do that when they play Maryland and Rutgers. No real change there.
If they can already travel cross-country for existing B1G opponents like those, then they can certainly travel for Miami or GaTech as well. BAD argument given that such travel is ALREADY a part of B1G scheduling for those West Coast members. If Rutgers and Maryland aren’t too far for the west coast schools, then neither are Miami or GaTech.
GaTech isn’t a super huge brand, but I venture to say that Miami would be significantly larger.
And either would be a bigger football brand than UH, given that both have national titles in football and UH doesn’t…AND both are already AAU.
BOTH have been vetted for B1G membership in the past, according to websites that Cullen has relied upon.
Neither UH…NOR ANY OTHER TEXAS SCHOOL…has been vetted by the B1G according to Cullen’s own sources, which further indicates that NO TX school is of interest to the B1G…those other schools are, based upon said vetting.
So given that…I stand by my theory.