Well to be fair (and formal) conferences don’t actually invite anyone. Schools apply for membership, and each member has to accept the application.
Everything being discussed in this exact conversation is assumption, including your arguments.
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You think they would want to add even more east coast? Texas is a far easier travel partner for most of the Big Ten than it would be going to the most southern tip of Florida
Not really.
It’s not an assumption that the B1G never invited UT. It’s a fact.
It’s not an assumption that UH isn’t AAU. It’s a fact.
It’s not an assumption that GaTech and Miami ARE AAU. It’s a fact.
It’s not an assumption that Miami and GaTech have both been vetted for B1G membership. The very websites that Cullen relies on as factual have said so. It’s also a FACT that NO TX school, much less UH, was on that list, and it’s also a fact that ALL the schools on that list were AAU, UNLIKE UH.
And it’s a FACT that the West Coast schools ALREADY TRAVEL from the West Coast to the East Coast for B1G play, which means that East Coast schools like Miami and GaTech ARE NOT too far for the West Coast schools to travel to.
Where are you getting these facts from?
Hey listen. I don’t think the B1G WANTS to add ANY new members. If anything, they most likely would love to jettison a few of their parasites.
But if they wanted to do what YOU suggest, which is to raid SEC territory…you know…just to show up the SEC, there are larger brand AAU schools like Miami or GaTech available that would accomplish that task just as well without compromising their standards.
Given that…DON’T assume that UH would be the school in a “raid the SEC” scenario either.
In the scenario that they hypothetically wanted to expand into SEC territory, it wouldn’t be until
schools are actually free of their current obligations. That could mean the next round or the round after next in terms of media negotiations.
The ACC is currently locked in for another 10 years per their recently established parameters.
Hey… maybe UH gets AAU in 10 years. Who knows. Khator is a Purdue alum. I’m sure she has relationships if the conversation ever came up
As for the AAU data…
Just look on the AAU website. Easily verifiable facts.
If you want to make the case that the B1G invited UT, then come up with some proof to support that case. Good luck! No such proof exists. No proof…no case…case dismissed.
And it’s a FACT that the West Coast B1G schools already travel to the east coast to play B1G teams. Just look at their schedules.
As for the facts about who the B1G vetted for membership, Cullen himself has relied on this MANY times as factual on that point:
Please note that NONE is a TX school (which indicates that TX is NOT a priority for B1G expansion), UH is NOT one of the vetted schools (which indicates that UH is NOT a B1G target), and for that matter, EVERY school that was vetted is an AAU member, unlike UH.
As it turns out, only Oregon and Washington, the two largest brands on that list, were invited, and even then, only at half shares.
So how do you figure smaller brands like UH will be considered? PRETTY FAR FETCHED BRO!!!
Those relationships haven’t helped thus far.
Not counting on them to make the difference.
In the end, we need a lot more biomedical research numbers to be competitive, and as it stands now, there are other schools ahead of us in that regard (Cincy, UAB, etc). AAU is a goal we should strive for, and obviously there are AAU members whose numbers we compete with…but DON’T count your chickens before they are hatched.
I hate to say it, but merging UTSA with the medical branch there in San Antonio was a gut punch for UH’s AAU chances, because that may have just, in effect, moved UTSA ahead of UH in the AAU waiting line. UTSA likely has more biomedical research dollars than UH now, because of that.
It can be difficult for a very black and white thinker to understand how a process like this might work. A conference could be all in on inviting a member, but if there is no reciprocal confirmation, an official invite / application *submission may likely never be sent, even tho a school would have been very much invited (just not officially b/c they ultimately said no).
Yes and no.
After 2030, leaving the ACC will cost no more than roughly the cost of a Jimbo Fisher buyout, based on the settlement in the FSU/Clemson lawsuits. Most big programs can come up with the money.
I suspect you’ll see at least a few ACC programs buy their way out. God only knows where they might end up. Hopefully a few will end up in the Big 12.
Find me some proof that UT ever applied to the B1G for membership then.
Best of luck! As I said, there’s no proof of that. And in a court of law…if there’s no proof…then the court is going to hold that it DIDN’T happen. If someone thinks that the B1G invited UT, then the burden is on them to prove it.
The B1G never invited UT. Period. Full stop. That’s a FACT Jack. And given that that’s a fact, it’s FALSE to suggest that the B1G wanted UT and that UT turned them down. Don’t speculate that that’s what happened. Objection…speculation…sustained. If a person wants to make a factual assertion, as Cullen did about UT turning the B1G down, then they need to provide some proof in order to establish those facts. This was NOT done. I’m sorry if knowing the difference between fact and non-fact is such a challenge for some.
This may the most ridiculous one of your takes (an there are many).
So, you are saying the mighty “smartest guy in the room” University of Texas" would make a jump to the SEC without at least kicking the tires on a possible move to the other P2.
There is zero PERCENT that happened.
Think of the most arrogant self absorbed lawyer you can think of…and think of that lawyer looking for a new law firm to work at…is he/she ONLY looking at one firm?
NO!
In fact, Texas kicking the tires is most likely what led the B1G to consider a big powerful state way outside of their footprint…
In reality, I would think the B1G expanded into the state of California because they started their analysis of what the B1G in Texas would look like.
I’m sure they looked around a lot of places.
Doesn’t mean that they APPLIED.
During the job search, I might look around at a lot of potential employers, but ultimately, I may only selectively apply to a few.
BUT….
If I don’t actually apply, get offered, and then turn that firm down in favor of another, then I CANNOT truthfully claim that I turned them down in favor of some other employer.
Same for graduate and law school.
I looked at a lot, but applied to far fewer. And I can’t latter claim that I turned down the ones that I didn’t apply to and never received an offer from.
Applying that same reasoning here by analogy….
I’m sure they took a long look at the B1G.
But ultimately decided the SEC was a better fit, so that’s where they applied. They can’t claim that they turned down the B1G if they never applied and were never offered.
Would they have been offered an invite had they applied?
Probably. That’s how big a brand they are.
But I will NOT assert as fact that they turned down a conference that they never applied to and were never invited to join.
Find me proof that they applied to the B1G, were accepted/invited/offered, and rejected the offer, and THEN I might buy your “UT turned down the B1G” theory.
But without an application, invite, and rejection, no.
Applying YOUR logic, can I truthfully claim that I “turned down” Yale Law School in favor of UH when, in fact, I never applied and was never accepted at Yale?
Of course not. That would be more than slightly misleading/untruthful.
do you not know how this process works?
A school like UT SELECTS the conference…not the other way around.
For whatever reason, after their talks with the B1G, they selected the SEC over the B1G but i"m sure the talks with the B1G were very serious and at one point, the B1G probably though they had them…maybe they even dangled USC + UCLA + UT + OU at the same time.
They then applied to the SEC.
Why in the world would they apply to a conference they just turned down???
An application is a formality for a reciprocal invitation, by both sides.
Remember, when all 8 of the Big 12 leftovers came begging to the PAC, the USC led expansion committee rejected them. Why? tehy already were deep in talks with the B1G…
Bottom line.
UT was NEVER invited to join the B1G.
Don’t try and spin that FACT in any non-factual way, as you tried here.
We have no idea what was discussed behind closed doors nor how close it got for Texas to request an invitation…not vice versa
nice job at gaslighting, though
If you don’t have any idea, then DON’T speculate.
OBJECTION…SPECULATION…SUSTAINED!!!
No proof of an application or invitation that was turned down….NO CASE.
Don’t assume or assert facts (like UT turning down the B1G) that are neither in evidence, nor supported by evidence.
we don’t need proof…these were private conversations and they happen way more frequently than you think.
they just don’t leak…unless someone wants them to leak (i.e UT + other Big 12 schools to the PAC or TAMU + UH to the SEC in the early 90s)
Don’t assume they happened without proof.
Texas at least looked into the Acc and big10 before deciding on the sec.
So it doesn’t matter if they rejected the big10 officially. It just means Texas decided on the sec as best option so it’s the same result and so I stand by my thought that neither A&M nor Texas will ever go to the big10 because again , no one voluntarily leaves the sec which would be a mistake for either. So if the big 10 wants in Texas, it’s UH, smu, tech or tcu and I like our chances over the others bc we’re in a bigger market and we’re a public vs private schools.
If we reach AAU status, we have even a better shot. So the focus needs to be on the 4 left and A&M and UT are off the table.
My take
Again, considering and actually APPLYING and getting an offer are two different things.
As I said, I CONSIDERED different employers and different graduate schools/law schools during my lifetime.
But if I never applied to and received an offer/invite from them, then I don’t have any business saying that I “chose” the school or employer that I did over them.
The only ones that I truly rejected and said no to and chose other schools/employers over are the ones that I actually received an offer from and turned down.
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