POLL: Favorite UH Logo

Football
122

Our basketball coaches seem to think we have something to do with the state of Texas. Are they wrong? Should we tell them not to wear that?

MAYBE our coaches want The University of Houston to be THE basketball program representing the state of Texas instead of giving it up to Tech just because they have Texas in their name

2 Likes
123

Yeah, so?

We aren’t a state flagship nor are we a state land grant school.

But that does NOT mean that we aren’t a STATE university. We most certainly are.

And as a state executive branch agency that receives a most of its funding and now at least half of its endowment from the state/state’s taxpayers, and has many TEXAS traditions (Frontiersmen, TX flag, Frontier Fiesta) it’s STUPID to say that the State of Texas has nothing to do with the University of Houston
or to even question that, as YOU did.

We may have been a private university before that, but even then we had a lot of do with Texas
just check out the traditions from that era that have lived on (Frontier Fiesta!).

The statement of yours was completely rarified, given all that.

And no, I don’t argue just to argue.

When I argue, it’s most likely to correct people who are in the wrong and simply won’t accept correction, which is the case with you here.

And when I do argue
I argue to win.

2 Likes
124

And a Junior College


1 Like
125

you argue to prove everyone you have no clue what you are arguing about.

You’ve proven that over and over again.

I WISH we were a big STATE school
a DESTINATION School
a TRADITIONAL SCHOOL.

That’s my dream but we are telling you CURRENTLY we are viewed more as a REGIONAL or CITY SCHOOL than a STATE school.

Not sure why you are having trouble understanding that
you think because the FRONTIERSMAN wave a Texas flag that that makes us a big STATE school.

YES, we receive public funds from the state but that is where the link to the state capital ends
 we were ALWAYS, A-L-W-A-Y-S designated as a CITY SCHOOL first
now that is one advantage TEXAS TECH has over us
they draw students from all over the STATE OF TEXAS
we DO NOT.

There is a reason why TEXAS POLITICIANS left the City School out of the creation of the Big 12

SO go wave your Texas Flag but it doesn’t mean we are a brand that is relevant in 100% of the State of Texas
I wish it was

126

Didn’t Texas politicians help greatly in getting us into the Big 12 this time?

127

We ARE the first. Saying otherwise is to state a falsehood.

We aren’t quite the second or third. Like you, I wish we were, but with Whitmire vetoing the housing mandate and our current admin moving over 4000 undergrads out to Sugarland as “super-commuters,” the hopes of us ever getting there seem more and more remote.

The reasons Texas politicians kept us out of the Big 12 back in the day is because they were alums of Tech
and a dang CHURCH SCHOOL. They favored loyalty to a CHURCH SCHOOL over their elected DUTY to advance and protect the interest our STATE executive branch agencies (like UH).

Sad, but true.

That said, TEXAS politicians elected by STATEWIDE votes got us in THIS time, so why quibble?

As for being a city school
we haven’t been since WWII. Private from 1945-1963, and a STATE university for the last SIXTY PLUS years.

To the extent that any traditions have carried over since our private days, they are TEXAS themed (Frontier Fiesta), NOT Houston, city, or urban themed.

I realize that we may have the City of Houston in our name, but there are a lot of schools in a similar situation that are likewise and certainly STATE universities. See the University of Pittsburgh, the University of New Orleans, or the University of Memphis for more examples.

Are there advantages to being geographically located in a big city? I would argue that there are, but it doesn’t seem to help our sports brand. Tech’s attendance and fan following, for example, are WAY higher than ours, despite the fact that they are located out in the boonies. aTm isn’t in a big city, and they are a true MEGA sports brand; one of the nation’s biggest.

Being located where we are seems to have both advantages and disadvantages.

But regardless
that’s neither here nor there. The bottom line is that we are a STATE university, NOT a city one, and that gives us much more to do with the STATE of Texas than our city.

2 Likes
128

You mean
after all of the “brands” left the conference.

129

And yet we’d likely still be in the AAC with Memphis without them.

130

Great
then you have no argument against why a big bad STATE school, that represents the ENTIRE state of Texas would fit in seamlessly into the B1G TEN when they look for their Texas member


Doesn’t matter where we air our games
Amarillo, El Paso, or Houston
they are tuning in, and in record numbers, because UH IS TEXAS!

Good
I am glad we finally agree on that.

131

the Big 12 is not a P2
of course they want us in a tweener Conference now that Texas and Texas A&M have left.

they sure didn’t fight for us in 2016
quite the opposite

132

Actually, I have very good arguments as to why UH won’t fit get an invite to the B1G, if that’s what you mean by not fitting seamlessly:

a) No AAU status, AND

b) Too small a sports brand based on football attendance (primarily) and fan base size.

Item “a” may change at some point in the future, but item “b” may not ever get there. Or at least, we are so far away from it that it seems like a pipe dream at best.

That all, BTW, has NOTHING to do with us being a “big state university.” We are a BIG (based on enrollment), STATE (yes, we are a state U) university; but that isn’t what will either get you into or keep you out of the B1G.

While this may not have always been true in the past, today, it is AAU membership AND sports brand size (especially in football, as indicated by attendance) that are the keys.

133

Louisville and Memphis were the 2 that came to my mind. Do you think they give up representing Kentucky/Tennessee especially when it comes to basketball? They may not achieve it, but they want to rep their city and state. You could even include Cincy when it comes to basketball only.

134

wait
how do we have a small brand if WE represent the entire state of Texas
isn’t that your whole argument?

It’s because we do NOT represent the entire state of Texas and until recently, we barely received any sizeable funding from Austin.

We are a regional school that barely captures the interest of our own market.

BUT I bet you think the University of Cincinnati = OHIO or
University of Louisville = KENTUCKY

135

Do you think the basketball coaches want us to be THE school representing the entire state or just the city?
Why do you think the coaches wore that logo?
Why do you think that logo was designed for the coaches to wear?

136

Who says we represent the whole state of Texas in any exclusive sense? I think that UT and aTm, and every other state school would dispute that, much as Rice, TSU, UST, HCU, etc. would dispute that we represent the City of Houston in any exclusive sense.

How do we have a small brand?

Simple.

Because our attendance is among the lowest in the Power Four, and our fan base is small despite our large enrollment, in no small part due to our “commuter” and “non-traditional” nature.

You can be a BIG STATE university, which we are, and still have poor attendance and a small fan base for various reasons.

North Texas is now about as large as we are, and as such, is likewise a “BIG STATE university” in that regard.

Guess what?

Their attendance and fan base are that of a MINISCULE sports brand, albeit for different reasons than ours, perhaps.

137

When i think of basketall in the state of Ohio, i think Cincy over OSU

138

I would say that Louisville and Cincy both hope to represent the very best of their state in all the sports that they compete in, even if, as a practical matter, that isn’t the case (especially not in football, where Ohio State is the biggest brand and generally the better product on the field).

Same for UH.

Our coaches don’t merely want for us to be the best basketball program in the City. We enjoy that distinction almost by DEFAULT!!!

They want for us to be known as a TEXAS basketball powerhouse as well
one that is clearly recognize as the best in the state and among the best in the country.

139

Don’t tell anyone, but I think of Xavier.

2 Likes
140

Hmmmm
not I.

Cincy has six final fours and two natties.

Xavier has ZERO final fours.

141

uh
that’s the whole argument in this thread.

yes, why we technically receive funds for the state we are viewed mire of a city school by the breand size and fan, fan base, and history of how WE were created.

You went off on your usual tangent trying to mention the Frontiersmen waving a Texas flag.

Guess what Law, them waving a Texas flag does NOT make us a bigger State brand than Texas or Texas A&M
sorry, you are delusional if you think so

We are a “For the City” or “H-Town Take Over” type of School" which is fin
there are almost 8 million people in our region
embrace THAT !