We entered WWII two years too late. This was one of the gravest error ever made. All of Western Europe was still sick of WWI that killed an entire generation. hitler became hitler because we let him exploit his own population. It did not start in 1940 it started years before.
We did indeed enter the war too late.
But thatâs not the point.
The point is that even if Japan hadnât attacked us, we would have eventually entered the war; we began preparing for that eventuality with the peacetime draft in Jan 1940.
People are terribly naive if they believe otherwise. We didnât enter purely because of Pearl Harbor. That simply eliminated any further delays.
And even prior to that, we were never truly neutral.
See the Lend-Lease Act for more info on that.
As for China, no one disputes that they are a growing power and a threat.
But some here appear to be OVER estimating their military strength compared to ours.
Itâs not so much chinas military thatâs a threat more so their economy
For example, they control majority of the renewable energy supply chain
denial of climate change as well as denouncing renewable technology is going to hurt us in the long run. US energy independence is a grift. We never were and never will be. We are merely net exporters. We stilly heavily rely on foreign oil imports.
Our shale reserves that are still economically extractable are near depleted
That said, without an abundance of available energy, it will affect our ability to keep a strong military since they emit so much CO2
They still need oil to wage war.
They donât have enough.
It is only a strip of mud. What we didnât have the guts to do was stop them taking over the Crimea, which is very strategic and very valuable. That is where the appeasement happened. We just hurled a few insults. Which caused the current mess.
Now the region the Russians hold is a worthless strip of mud. It is not worth any more lives and American money, which should be used for Americans.
Give the Russians the mud and sign an iron clad defense treaty with Ukraine.
Just like in WWII, when appeasement failsâŠyou donât continue to appease.
Thatâs what weâd be doing by giving Putin more territory.
Sending arms for a never ending war is cruel and very much like Viet Nam.
If we believe that Russia has to be stopped, then give them EVERYTHING they need to win. We have basically just been sending in enough so it lasts longer. We are unwilling to win this, we are simply prolonging it hoping the Russians will get tired. We are willing to fight the the Russians to the last Ukrainian. If we arenât willing to win then end it. Border lines have shifted in Europe since the beginning of time.
This isnât Afghanistan circa 1980-81.
Itâs quite different from Vietnam.
In Vietnam were were sending in thousands and thousands of troops.
Not so here.
All the more cowardly. We are fighting to the last Ukrainian.
We should have done something in 2014. We didnât.
In Viet Nam we didnât have the will to win. Just enough will to prolong it.
Or some people are underestimating their strength and overestimating ours. Considering the fact we rely on China for some parts for our military and not to mention rare earth minerals which they have a monopoly on.
The Ukrainians can decide when theyâve had enough.
Until then, weâll give them the tools.
They need oil more than we need that to wage war.
Again, they donât have it, and we are better equipped to interdict it.
Donât OVERRATE their ability to wage war, given that.
Thatâs not an accurate assessment of what
happened.
The United States and the European Union responded by enacting sanctions against Russia for its role in the crisis, and urged Russia to withdraw.[2] Russia accused the United States and the EU of funding and directing the revolution and retaliated to the sanctions by imposing its own.
Whatever the response should have been it would have required equal support of our European allies. Do you have any evidence that France, Germany, UK, Italy, Spain, and others wanted to lower the boom on Russia , but we talked them out of it ? Maybe I missed that part.
I donât bet against 5000 yr old civilizations that practically invented organized war fare and fielded armies in the 100,000âs while the rest of the world wasnât. Their people are highly intelligent and patriotic,(we call it nationalism) and yes the West and Japan stomped them good. Century of humiliation as they call it. They say never again it will happen to them. There industrial capacity is almost twice ours and their ship building is 200 times ours. They are more than our equal in certain areas besides our military cannot function without certain minerals that they have a monopoly on
You might be surprised at how many Chinese DO NOT LIKE their Communist regime though.
You can ask my Chinese immigrant wife if you donât believe me.
Youâd have to go back a ways to find the last time China won a war against another nation. Arguably they won WWII, but that was mostly thanks to the US and other allies.
The PRC has never won a foreign war.
Say the same thing about Americanâs, who donât like their government. Does that mean there others who donât love and are willing to die for their country? Anecdotal analysis your using Law
Not really.
Just since Vietnam we won in Grenada, Panama, the First Gulf War, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Iraq.
Compare that to the PRCâs all time 0-1-1 record.
I donât know how to answer you under the non political rules in place on this board.
I would direct you to Foreign Policy magazine July 11, 2023 for a critical look at our Russia Doctrine that was in place and how it lead to where we are.
But I firmly believe this war needs to end and we should be very clear in what our red lines are.
Chinese fought very bravely in the Korean War had nothing but rifle and Artillery. Yes I know they suffered 200000 casualties at least that what the West press said. Make no mistake they are a quite capable of waging aWar on an effective scale, as we are, but like Sun Tzu said the best victory is the war you donât have to fight . They know America doesnât have the stomach to suffer mass casualties.
Do they?
I mean, if their Communist regime is truly willing to sacrifice everything to achieve victory, wellâŠ.OK.
But in VietnamâŠ.they faced a blood bath.
Do you truly imagine that they have a bigger stomach for casualties than we do?
Theyâve certainly sustained a lot more.
Iâll give you that.