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If Lech Walesa himself credits Reagan more, then that should end the discussion.

He should know, right?

His opinion carries the most weight, in my view.

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Let’s try this again.

Reagan gets credit just not all credit. That’s just my opinion. How’s that? Fair?

I could go on about hero worship but I won’t.

I would give Margaret Thatcher some credit.

I’ll give Carter some credit for sure.

But not the bulk of it

and Biden single handedly defeated Covid…Bwahahahahhhahaaaa

This is how civil and serious discussion starts to go downhill and this one probably would if I responded so I won’t.

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Franklin was walking out of Independence Hall after the Constitutional Convention in 1787, when someone shouted out, “Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?” To which Franklin supposedly responded, with a rejoinder at once witty and ominous: “A republic, if you can keep it.”. I have some serious reservations that we are, what I am seeing happening across this land

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What was carter’s stance and America’s entire army toward the soviet union?

CRICKETS SOUNDS, nothing, nada, NYET.

President Reagan IS responsible for the soviet union demise. Only disillusioned Carter can think otherwise.

Many thanks to JohnnyCougar for the correction.

Okay but I think you mean disillusioned and it’s spelled nyet.

I can tell you from a Polish American stand point that the church, solidarity and ronald reagan are credited back home. And probably in that same order.

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Latest is Putin wants us out of Poland which is a non starter. I say let them have the Ukraine and not put nato there bc it would be like them putting missiles in Cuba or South America. We could prop up the resistance in the Ukraine like Biden mentioned but that would be far as i’d go.

Russia is not going to stop at Ukraine. Putin is rebuilding the former USSR and his goal is to reassemble the former Soviet satellite countries.

No one can and no one will stop him. Sanctions don’t work, and Russia doesn’t care about sanctions.

After Ukraine , he is going to grab Belarus then Georgia. No one will stop him, Nato will not fight over those countries.

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I agree , it seems they want to rebuild the old empire. I say let them have the Ukraine then hold fast on nothing else. Russia has 2 exports , oil and Russian women who cheat USA guys out of money and home. Lol

History has proven time and time again if you give a predator country a country that he wants, he will continue to feed.

This letting Putin have the Crimea and the Ukraine, is Chamberlain’s “peace in our time” mistake.

All of this is being driven by Putin sensing a weak United States. We have a weak president who does stupid things. We have a congress that can not agree on the sky being blue. This weak western democracy is what gave Adolph and the boys the green light to go vienna waltzing across Europe,

These are dangerous, very dangerous times.

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Yes, Neville Chamberlain would probably agree. Although he is a politician so he would probably deflect and blame it on something else :slight_smile:

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Unfortunately, that’s a region of the world that the USA had little power to affect, as I explained on another string.

germany has been at the root of European wars since the 1870 war. WWI came and then the nazis flourished without any US led sanctions. After WWII the Marshall plan was established to help Europe and firstly germany to rebuild. Read between the lines and see which European country mostly benefited from it.

Why was Russia even able to impose their new gas pipeline?
germany
Who was germany’s chancellor during this time?
angela merkel. she is the same individual that grew up and worked when East Germany was part of the Easter/soviet block. By all accounts she has been putin’s strongest European ally.
germany has killed many millions, taken your and my tax money and what do they do?
They double cross us consistently. Iran’s biggest “ally” is indeed germany. There has been a close industrial relationship between the two countries since the Shah was deposed. Yes that includes their nuclear program. germany’s role can no longer be ignored.

I have to agree with 90210 on one thing. Germany does indeed appear to be a weak link in NATO.

They didn’t do jack squat in the first gulf war, did even less than Jack Squat in Iraq, didn’t do much in Afghanistan (they deployed their forces under “national caveats,” and had to be fired from the police trainer mission), their defense budget has remained well below the NATO guideline of 2% of GDP (despite Trump’s protests…sorry 90210)…AND NOW…CHECK THIS OUT!!!

Quote: the United States and its NATO allies across Europe are stepping up their response.

But there is one notable country that appears to be holding back: Germany

As Russian troops have massed on the Ukrainian border, Berlin has resisted pressure from its allies and neighbors to deliver arms to Ukraine while urging “prudence” when it comes to potential economic sanctions against Moscow.

The reluctance of Europe’s leading economic power to join the more robust Western posture has drawn criticism from Kyiv and threatened to undermine the effort to present a strong and united front against Russian aggression.

Quote: Denmark is sending F-16 fighter jets to nearby Lithuania; Spain is sending ships to join a NATO fleet; France says it’s ready to send troops to Romania; the United Kingdom has sent anti-tank weapons directly to Kyiv; and on Monday night the United States said it had placed 8,500 troops on “heightened alert” as it discusses deploying forces to the region in addition to sending “lethal aid.

Berlin…appears to be at least delaying fellow NATO members’ efforts to send their own arms to Ukraine. A German Defense Ministry spokesperson said it was “considering” a request from Estonia to send Kyiv howitzer artillery guns after a report that Berlin was blocking the shipment of the weapons, which used to belong to East Germany. They gave no likely timeline for a decision.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!

And to think that many Lefties on the old politics board criticized Bush for going to war without German permission/endorsement.

UGH!!!

When has Germany EVER been up for a fight since WWII???

The truth is…a pacifism has overtaken German thinking since then. Whether that’s good or bad is perhaps a philosophical question, but in any event, it’s often AVERSE to US and NATO interests.

There appears to be nothing that any US President can do to change that, Trump and Biden included.

It’s helping to create an even bigger schitt sandwich than we already had in that region.

Let Germany defend itself then. Move our bases to Poland. Wait I think somebody proposed that…

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It is not pacifism since all of german’s political and economical decisions are based on their self interest rather than NATO’S or the UN. Their decisions gets us closer to war than not.
germany’s support of Iran is bringing the same islamic dictatorship nuclear power. How is that for pacifism? How do you thin Israel is feeling about it?

Let’s step back to when the russian block imploded due to President Reagan pressure…that led to 0 wars with the soviet. Even though the nytimes and washpost declared every day that Reagan becoming President would be WWIII.
Does that sound familiar?
At the time germany rejoiced of reunification but very quickly the same germany “aligned” themselves with Russia. germany has **PLAYED ** a double game for decades. That indeed is the biggest political failure from all U.S. Presidents. You add hunter biden in bed with a pro russian Burisma company and it clears any doubts who is profiting from this.

Facts can’t be denied. You make your own bed. Nobody’s makes it for you.

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