Anyone else give a flying flip about any school from Illinois? Northwestern? The Big 10’s answer to Rice. They show up every 20 years or so. NIU? Great. Let’s get Sam Houston into the mix too.
Thought so.
What happens if the smaller programs are given a chance and they don’t garner the kind of support you think they will? That’s the risk the media will be taking. They’ll have to payout the millions regardless of whether the smaller programs bring higher ratings or not. As much as we would all like to think somethings transcend money, the people with the money won’t agree. The only way ESPN will agree to a 16 team playoff is if ESPN is guaranteed a certain minimum return on investment.
North Dakota State is 15 years removed from having been Division II. It’s really quite remarkable.
James Madison would easily make for a good FBS program. They’re one of the only FCS schools I would consider for our conference if we were to expand. (Another being Delaware, because they’re good but also because the state of Delaware has two senators.)
The best we can realistically hope for is an 8 team playoff with the top ranked conference champions.
I used to be a skeptic of any sort of G5 inclusion, but I think they’d be hard pressed to exclude the G5 entirely.
So provided that nobody does anything stupid like agree to a G5 playoff, I think there is a decent chance that we’ll get “P5 conference champions plus one G5 if they are ranked in the top 15” or something.
Oh yeah, I know. My post was sarcastic because FCS football has a big playoff and every year the programs with the most resources are in the championship.
I don’t care if they did go to 16 with auto bids, I just wouldn’t watch most of the round of 16 games and would probably end up watching fewer regular season games since they wont matter as much. I have a feeling that would be the average fan too. One thing I am certain about, it wouldn’t level the playing field much, if at all, and we would still get the same programs at the top. It doesn’t matter if there is better access to the playoff when the top conferences make $50 million a year in tv money and the Sun Belt makes $1-2 million.
Yeah, this will be the next move. My hope is they get rid of the playoff committee. Go back to a BCS ranking systems which uses two human polls and computers. Another preference for me would be any undefeated team is guaranteed a spot in the playoff. It would be rare for 2 G5s to be undefeated the same year, but both would deserve a spot if so. That way every single FBS team has the opportunity to win the championship.
What’s the beef Mike? I am using NIU as an example. Get it? They are a g5 just like us.
They win or we win our Conference we ought to belong in the cfp.
There are 10 FBS Div 1 conference Mike and a few independents.
This gives you 10 spots. You add six at large and you have your true cfp.
Clear enough for you Mike?
Nobody would tune in to watch NIU in a playoff game. And that right there makes it a non starter.
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How would you or I know? They win their Conference they belong in the cfp.
Why on earth then to even play in a conference?
What rights do the P5’s have to only have entry into the cfp?..Other than it is a cartel.
The Boise, Utah (in the WAC) UCF were ridiculed. What did they do? They shocked everyone including the media.
This is supposed to be about sport not about what mickey mouse wants.
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A 16 TEAM PLAYOFF IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
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I wouldn’t say that. Could definitely happen.
Not any time soon, though, and certainly not one featuring an 8-5 MAC champion.
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But you may in 10 years if the teams in the SBC decide they want to commit to CFB. Sure they might not have 100,000 raucous fans. But they might find a billionaire donor who wants to make it happen. You could end up with some powerhouse teams that are small (like SMU did when they cheated).
The minute you allow everyone to play for a title is the minute the entire recruiting game changes.
Okay maybe they might consider a 16 team playoff in 20-30 years from now but it definitely won’t be within the next 15 years.
Not if all programs are allowed to compensate players. And you bet any small program suspected of “cheating” will he pounced upon by the big guys who’ll stick the NCAA (or whatever body is responsible for “oversight”) in the program faster than the players could cash their checks.
Expand the playoffs and at the same time allow player compensation is more likely to hurt the smaller programs than help them. Even a program like UH is likely to be hurt. Without access to P5 money, G5 programs will have a hard time keeping up financially regardless of whether 1 G5 is guaranteed a playoff spot.
Bring back computers? The problem is a computer is dumb. It does exactly what it is told to do by a human programmer. If that human programmer has a P5 bias, it will appear in the programming.
The best way to have a playoff is to have it earned on the field, by winning your conference. All P5 and G5 conference champions and 2 at large for a 12 team playoff. Top 4 champions get a first round bye. The other 8? Playoff in the first round in a bowl or on campus. If on campus, the at-large cannot host. They are seeded 11 and 12.
This way, the only human element is seeding.
Perfect? No. But a lot better than what we have now.
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My kind of thinking Fred!!! Go Coogs!
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If I recall correctly, the BCS computers usually ranked non-AQ teams higher than the human polls. Losing 5 games isn’t earning it on the field. You are talking about putting an 8-5 Miami (OH) team in a 12 team playoff after losing to Ohio St by 71 points, then give them a better match up than #5 Georgia would get. If you don’t put qualification standards for conference champs, it isn’t a serious conversation.
And just for the record, if there was a 16 team playoff this year I think Memphis, Boise, and App St should be in it. FAU, no (because there would be no other 3 loss team). Miami (OH), hell no. People saying they want a fair system but putting one team in over another who beat that team on the field makes no sense to me. Cincinnati and Iowa both crushed Miami so not sure how its “earned on the field” if those losses don’t matter.
If you go to 20 or 24 like FCS, feel free to let those bad champs in. Keep seeding like FCS though, they pick the best 8 teams to get byes regardless of conference.
Computer Programmer:
<goto Alabama gets top spot unless 4 losses>
<goto Texas get a top tier spot unless 4 losses>
<goto Random P5 teams get top 16 spots>
<goto Random G5 teams get no higher than 17>
Your Miami of Ohio example is exactly what we need.
We used to have great inter-sectional games like USC-Alabama. We never see them anymore because schools are afraid of losing and missing out on the CFP. What is important is winning conference. Under that, it doesn’t matter what you do in non-conference games as long as you win conference.
Let G5 schools collect three body bag paychecks and then go 8-1 in conference and make the playoff. They do it all the time in the men’s NCAA BB tournament.
I don’t mind.
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Moreover everyone loves a Cinderella Team. That is the exact definition of why people love sport.
Why sould the cfp deprive the entire country of that magical opportunity?
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