Getting sacks is putting in effort. Just being an all down back isnt supposed to be overnight he needed in game reps.
I agree with all your points. Thatâs my understanding but CDH makes it sound personal and idk why. If he had knowledge of his productivity in the few games he played I dont see why not play him. Worst guys have played because of lack of depth.
2 Likes
If it truly is an effort thing and he came back and was healthy, I donâ think heâd beat-out Parrish. Derrickâs limitation is that he lacks length and gets stuck on blocks ( and held a lot). I think he combats that by picking up the dip and bend this off season. Pair that with a no quit attitude and that would be an almost insurmountable battle in front of Chambers. Iâm going to go with heâs injured and never got in shape. I think that was the deal with Justin Murphy too. Wasnât he the linemen puking during the Tulane game?
But then again, CDH was adamant about guys not being used to âpracticing hardâ and I got the notion he was suggesting guys were acting banged up to get out of the crucible. This could also be the case with Murph and Chambers. Thus explaining the âI only have time to coachâ attitude towards Murph.
1 Like
How do we know this was Isaiahâs idea? CDH might have planted this seed in his head. If CDH orchestrated the redshirting and roster management itâs also possible that heâs responsible for weeding guys out that he deems unfit for the ideal player in his program. It appears to me that CDH has a plan. He has a white board in his office with Player Names, Position, and GPA that is his depth chart. Iâm trying to buy in as a fan.
did you ever play sports? Thatâs like saying, âHe hits home runs. He puts in effort.â
No, he could be a lazy ass that doesnât even show up to practice or when he does he is drunk. I have been on a team that voted to kick off one of our two ace pitchers because of behavior like this. We donât know what happened, but it is possible that while not as bad as what I just described, or he probably would have been removed frmo the team, that he was noticibly slacking and thus was not rewarded with more game time. Just like Kelvin will bench a dude who scores 20+ a game if he doesnât rebound and play defense.
Culture.
1 Like
Yeoman once kicked Paul Gipson off the team. Paul was one of our greatest ever running backs in 1967 and 1968. Received Heisman votes in 1968. But in 1966 he violated Yeomanâs rules and was dismissed. Perhaps Chambers violated Danaâs rules? We will know the true answer when Chambers transfers. He could be a stud elsewhere or we never hear of him again
1 Like
Iâve played plenty of team and single sports. Both competitive and recreational. I know theres always guys who dont seem to âtryâ that get the job done and if you have a 220+ player trying to keep you from reaching a QB itll take effort. Effort is just the amount of work you put in to make an attempt at something. If you took out the trash for your wife you made an âeffortâ just as the person who made home runs made an âeffortâ. The other comment about kicking someone off for being drunk and they were Ace is different. Thatâs situational to bringing in your problems to a team environment and as a team kicking them out. Of which none of those things happened with Chambers. @tucsoncoog If he violated rules heâd be suspended. Hes not. But as stated above he needed more reps because of all the time hes spent without playing.
I wish I could tell that to my wife. I donât get credit for jack around these parts. lol
6 Likes
If people arenât putting in effort in practice they are being a negative leader. You donât reward that. You seem to have a massive disconnect here. In game play, doesnât mean effort. I can have an unhittable curveball, but if I am not willing to do full bullpen sessions or run my laps or stretch with the team a good coach onât let him play. That is why I used the Kelvin Sampson example that you conveniently ignored.
3 Likes
I think we need to assign a level to effort here. I donât know what exact level CDH wanted Chambers and Lark to play at, but it wasnât enough because we know theyâre both explosive. Iâm going to guess that their effort level at practice matched the amount of snaps that week. No surefire way to quantify it but coaches know and can Identify those who arenât trying hard (enough). Itâs easy.
Sumlin kicked AJ Dugat (3 star) off the team a few games into his freshman year.
People come and go. Coaches have guys they like and those they think need development. Iâll have a much better idea of what I think of Danaâs program by the end of next year. I think heâs re-seeding the program with personalities that fit his system.
I like all kids that have played here. Past and present. I wish them all success.
6 Likes
I didnt conveniently ignore it. I explained why I thought he needed more reps. Youâre implying hes being a princess and Iâm telling you itâs from his knee and not having the reps in game. Youâre saying from conditioning but that will only get you so far, you still need to go through it and the times he has hes been a threat. CDH doesnt strike me as a keep a cancer on the team.
I didnât actually mention conditioning at all.
Game reps get you sharper, since you think he looked sharp then that wasnât the problem.
Youâre right Iâll withdraw that but I dont think if hes acting in such a way detrimental to the team heâd still be on the team.
Thatâs why most of us suspect it was a lack of effort in practice. Not necessarily an actual team violation (ie drunk). It also might not be. But many of us questioned why he wasnât getting more reps since he is fast off the edge and that seems to be the most probable explanation. The other one is he doesnât follow his assignments well and just goes after the QB which I would not be keen enough to pick up on. That could give him some pretty numbers and wow plays, but hurt the overall performance of the defense.
Sounds like JJ Watt. He always gets praised for getting to the QB, but teams have identified his weakness of over pursuing the play and run right at him. JJ is obviously an elite defender, but he tends to leave his defense out to dry by playing off-script.
2 Likes
Yup stretch plays that run right at that void can exploit it. People were actually griping about the interior guys staying on blocks this year. Iâm sure they were coached on holding the POA and letting LBs fill gaps. Getting upfield too fast in a 4-2-5 man-scheme can derail your whole defense. We have to recruit more big guys that can move laterally like Ed. We might have one on the way in this class.
That defense is about pushing forward and owning your lane.
Chambers was beaten out by Payton Turner. Thatâs the bottom line. There is more to playing defense in college then trying to get to the quarterback. Turner started over him in 2018 when Applewhite was here and Turner once again started this year. Itâs not like Chambers was a star player for Applewhite in 2018 and then was suddenly and shockingly benched this year. Yea, he showed flashes with 3 sacks against Rice in 2018 and then another 2-3 sacks against Tulsa this year which made up the majority of his production while playing for Houston. If he wasnât a 4 star recruit coming out of high school then half of you all would not be complaining about him not starting. Our defense is finally adding a lot of quality depth and we have talent across the board entering next year. Itâs not the end of the world that a player with talent is leaving for more playing time elsewhere.
9 Likes