You’re very defensive about an accusation that was never made. I made a point about our fanbase in general. If you took that to be personally directed, that’s 100% on you.
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The market creates the value. I’m not sure what your point is here. If the market is willing to pay CWF more than what we’re currently paying him, then we need to bump up his salary or lose him altogether. I don’t understand what’s so difficult for some of you all to understand about that. We literally just saw this happen with Coach Wood less than a year ago. Now y’all wanna risk the same thing happening with our HC?
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Dana wasn’t a scrub before he got here. He had a solid resume as one of the best OCs in the game, with a quality run at WVU, including a BCS Bowl win. He had a winning Big 12 record at WVU and missed a bowl only once in his 8 years there. It was just his tenure here where he obviously stopped putting in any effort toward coaching.
That is to say, credit to CWF where it’s due, but it’s not like he has an extensive track record here.
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Chris Petersen stayed at Boise for almost a decade because he loved the hospital his son was being taken care of at.
The fact that y’all are acting like he hasn’t already proven his worth here is astounding to me. If I would’ve said in July that we would be 8-2 at this point of the season, everyone on this board would’ve crucified me. Now we’re sitting here with a chance to actually make it to Arlington & some of you are acting like CWF hasn’t proven anything 
I don’t wanna here y’alls mouth when yet another Big 12 team swipes one, or both, of our coordinators again bc we’re too busy making up excuses as to why we won’t pay our coaches what they’re worth. And if CWF leaves, don’t fix your fingers to come on this board & complain about the lack of fan support.
Good points are being made, but I want to make a point, or two, that may help…
Most of this argument is based on hypotheticals.
Willie hasn’t been asking for any pay raise.
If, and when, that time comes, he will make sure he retains his staff before he addresses his own desires.
And, he has turned down higher salaries in the past to take care of his staff and any unfinished business at the programs he was at.
ALL of his past moves were to move up, and to prove to himself (and others) that he could “coach that *hit”, and the money discussions came after.
IMO, he will get a decent pay bump at the end of the season. And… I don’t see him being discussed, seriously, about coaching anywhere else. Part of that is because he’s 100% focused on THIS TEAM, THIS SEASON.
Too many folks putting words into other’s mouths and jumping to conclusions…
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Dana went 12-2 with an undefeated conference run. His extension was just as justified as CWF’s would be, and it proved to be a giant mistake.
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The point is it isn’t a market like a normal labor market. This doesn’t function the same way. If we were behaving like executives with fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders and customers, we would find the cheapest coach who can get the job done. What we and the other schools are doing is acting like celebrities who jockey for opportunities to buy Picasso’s and giant houses and Lamborghini’s and luxury boxes at Formula 1 races and stuff. That’s not market behavior, it’s gold rush behavior. It’s distorting and it’s unsustainable, always has been.
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We only beat 3 teams in the regular season with a winning record plus an Auburn team who was starting a QB that couldn’t even hold on to his starting job at TXST or WKU. And that was in a G5 conference. I knew way back then that the 2021 season was a fluke. What CWF is doing right now is miles better than anything Dana has ever done in Houston as a HC. Comparing the 2 is disrespectful
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Yet we have schools all over the country paying coaches up to $75m to kick rocks. In a perfect world, your scenario makes sense, but that’s simply NOT the case at the P4 level of college football.
And this year how many teams with winning records have we beaten? It’s still well within the realm of possibility that we lose our last two, especially with the QB play we’ve gotten the last two games. Will you still be insistent that he deserves an extension if it turns out we’ve been feasting on the conference’s bottom-feeders?
To be clear, I think CWF is a good coach. But he hasn’t proven hardly anything yet. I don’t think there’s a ton of evidence that he’s irreplaceable, or even much better than we could get by turning around and handing his $20 Million buyout to the next guy.
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Well that’s where I’m saying it isn’t sustainable. I’m not describing the perfect world, I’m describing the real world, which always seems to reassert itself on those whose hubris leads them to think they can get away with fantasy behavior to gain power and wealth (and do we think football is anything else for some of these people?). Just because everyone else is being stupid doesn’t mean we should click our heels as we follow them over the cliff.
3 with the potential for 7?
Plus we’ve beaten ranked teams, and way higher rated teams than that 2021 season
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While true. It doesn’t mean giving Willie a bump is a “mistake”.
Comparing Willie to Dana IS a mistake…
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This…
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Could still be 1 or even 0, too. And in 2021 SMU was ranked when we beat them. Higher than ASU was, in fact.
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5 and counting
Did we not go into Tempe & knock off the defending Big 12 Champs the week after they beat Tech? Y’all say anything
He’s literally the only coach to ever beat UCF in their Space Game. He’s beaten a USC team w/ a Heisman Trophy winner at QB w/ TULANE. He beat US w/ a 3rd string QB. He’s won 8 games this year, which is literally the same amount of wins we’ve had the previous 2 seasons combined; and he’s done it with 2 brand new coordinators, one of which can’t even grow a beard yet lol. What are you on?
Oh yea? Name me ONE UH coach who’s ever been able to land a commitment from the #1 QB prospect in the nation? Disrespectful
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Brother, we extended Dana Holgorsen after a season of fluff. We’ve already been stupid. Extending Fritz as a defensive measure isn’t stupid. Losing Fritz bc we allowed some other school to moneyball him & his players simply bc we thought it was stupid not to increase his buyout… now that’s stupid
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Keisean is still in High School and hasn’t done anything for the Coogs yet either. Still hasn’t stepped on campus, and still might not.
He’s also literally the only one ever to lose the Houston Blue game, while we’re talking about things that don’t matter.
Those didn’t happen here.
The team that has three other losses this year already, including to the worst team in the SEC? And then we came home and lost to a team that was winless in-conference. Y’all say anything
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I believe I said that was stupid at the time, too. All of the moves have been stupid, by all the schools. Now we’re doing the same with players. I think that’s stupid, too, even if it accomplishes short term goals.
Also, you use moneyball like it means “throw more money at someone.” It definitionally means “find ways to not have to spend money you don’t have and get better results.” I asked Google AI just now:
“Moneyball” refers to a strategy of using data and analytics to identify undervalued assets, originally to build a competitive baseball team with a limited budget. The term is now used more broadly to describe the application of advanced data analysis in any field to find a competitive advantage, often by challenging traditional methods and assumptions. It became a mainstream concept through the book and film of the same name, which detailed how the Oakland Athletics used this approach under General Manager Billy Beane.
In baseball
- Method: Used sabermetrics, or advanced statistical analysis, to evaluate players based on objective data, such as on-base percentage.
- Goal: To find undervalued players with specific skills who could contribute to the team’s success at a lower cost than traditional stars.
- Outcome: Allowed teams with smaller budgets, like the Oakland Athletics, to compete with richer clubs by assembling a talented team based on data rather than just money.
Beyond baseball
- Business: Companies use “moneyball” strategies for recruiting by focusing on data to find candidates with undervalued skills or the right “fit,” even if they lack traditional credentials.
- Finance: Investors can use a “moneyball” approach to achieve goals by using data-driven methods to identify opportunities.
- General application: The core concept is about finding a competitive edge through a data-driven approach in any area, even in fields like professional sports, management, and human resources, by looking for “market inefficiencies”.
If Willie is winning a bunch of games at “lowly” UH, where we clearly don’t deserve nice things, it’s not all that data driven for someone to identify him in his mid 60’s and throw more money at him than we can afford. If all coaches are overvalued, then none is undervalued.