Not sure about that. The ‘21 year was solid but it was also against a cupcake schedule. He also had not one but two losing seasons including that first year where the expectation was that he would come in and immediately win 10 games. Fritz on the other hand had one down year in a true rebuild and then immediately found success in year 2. Plus his recruiting is looking better and better so there’s more reason to optimistic about future/sustained success. I think the 8 million dollar number is high but I would not be opposed to extending Fritz after this season. If for no other reason to show recruits that we have a stable coaching situation.
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This is what reasonable people say.
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Holy hypothetical 
You can’t be serious. We JUST started that in '23. CWF inherited a complete rebuild in '24 w/ very little resources to work with. UCF was 8-0 in that game with a major upset of OkSt during that time frame. The two are NOT the same lol
SO WHAT?? He’s proven that’s he’s a good enough coach to win big. You’re such a hater dude 
So you’re just gonna ignore the fact that they beat the #7 team in the nation bc they lost to an SEC team by 4, in week 2, ON THE ROAD?? Give me a break 
Gee, I wonder if there was anything significant happening that week that could’ve affected the emotions of both our players & coaching staff 
Oh that’s right… Coach Hester DIED!!
You’re such a whiny, ungrateful “fan”. After all this program has been through, we finally find a guy, who’s a proven winner, that’s actually winning here, & all you’re doing is 
ing on him. You should be ashamed of yourself
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This guy gets it. If we lose Willie, we lose EVERYTHING. That’s why you pay him
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I’m not about to argue with ChatGPT. Get to the point
I’m not a hater. I think CWF is a really good coach. I think I’ve been very clear about that. The bulk of the available evidence indicates that. He’s thoroughly exceeded my expectations for this season, and that will remain true if we do ultimately finish 8-5. But jumping up and down about how he needs an extension right now is premature, especially when we’re still paying the last guy we signed to an huge extension after one good season.
An upset of a team that pulled an upset and is now unranked isn’t the feather in his cap you’re insisting it is.
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The point is that throwing money at people doesn’t magically solve problems. Blowing money that doesn’t exist in financially irresponsible ways just because of envy for what other people have is not sustainable. I’d rather still have a team in ten years.
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ChatGPT?
This guy literally gave you a point by point answer to each and every absurdity you puked onto you keyboard (or phone) and all you can come back with is chatGPT?
You ARE a hater, and I don’t see how you can actually root for a team you have so many vile things to say about.
Quit while you’re behind…
I tell ya, you’ve got the wrong guy!
But also, this is the binary optimist/pessimist thing I was talking about. Set that aside for a minute and read calmly. Read his other posts. Don’t slander him. He just wants our program to be responsible. Actuarial tables say that Willie can’t be our coach forever, neither can anyone else. It would be nice if we don’t have to fold the program due to financial mismanagement before Willie decides he’s reached retirement age.
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Good thing, because Willie is a “program builder”.
…and, for those of you using the current trend of overpaying coaches in college football and the ridiculous buyouts…
Willie has been worth every penny everyone has paid him for over 30 years.
Furthermore, what’s conveniently ignored is that there are also a lot of big contracts that have actually worked out for the schools that offered them.
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A lot more didn’t than did.
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Well, my question about that is, if it’s so workable, why do they have to ask for bigger and bigger TV contracts? Why is the Big 10 doing this 2.4B private equity investment deal? It seems to work because they can attract those kind of investments, but it’s never long before they’re looking for the next infusion of cash. There’s no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, there’s no eventual promised land that anyone is eventually gonna get themselves to, it’s just constantly trying to outkick the coverage. This is bigger than any one coach or any one school. We will all have to pay the bill someday.
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Can we get our Big 12 revenue share before we talk about extensions and such?
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Read it, and agree with it.
I think the problem is, we’re arguing 2 things that either don’t exist, or haven’t happened, yet.
- The first being, Willie isn’t looking to go anywhere, or asked for any more money, yet. And when, and if, he does, it’ll be because he MERITS it for what he’s done and will be looking out for his coaches, and things that will better the program first.
- Many (if not most) on the side of simply discussing this topic, are on the side of waiting to see how things play out, and offering him enough to stay. Not necessarily on the side of doubling his salary after a season where he improved by 4, 5, 6 (or more) wins in year 2.
I also believe, it’s just my opinion… but, comparing Willie to Dana is comparing apples to oranges. Furthermore, muddying this discussion by throwing in c rap about who beat what ranked team, etc… is just making a hypothetical discussion even more stupid.
Why even play the games then? If you think ASU, in Tempe, isn’t a good win, you might need to schedule a consultation w/ a neurologist. CWF’s 2025 is off to a start like we’ve never seen before in the modern era.
- 8-2 record as a P4 team
- Still in contention for the Big 12 title game
- #1 QB recruit in the nation (who publicly shut down his recruitment btw)
- #32 recruiting class in the nation (Highest in UH history)
There’s currently 5 Bluebloods in need of a HC who would love to get their hands on Keisean Henderson and/or Connor Weigman. Not only does he deserve a raise, but we don’t really have a choice but to give him one either.
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Yes, that’s about where I am. Dana entered the discussion because he’s the last example of a coach that we extended based on a good W-L record, especially after the experience of losing Herman and then Applewhite’s dismal performance. It turned out it was a bad choice to extend Dana. Therefore, let’s pump the brakes on pre-emptively doubling anyone’s salary, when we don’t yet have the means to do so, even if there’s a case that Willie deserves it and Dana did not. There is a much longer arc of history, past and future, than just what Willie occupies, and we need to be responsible with our decisions.
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Perhaps lately. I agree.
I think you’ll also find than many of us simply acknowledging Willie merits a pay bump, at the END of the season, believe, like you and others, that the pendulum has swung waaay too far on a lot of these coach’s contracts, and aren’t assigning a specific dollar amount to something that NONE of us are remotely read in on.
If we don’t blow some money on keeping our really good coach, we won’t have a team in ten years. We could kiss that #32 recruiting class goodbye almost overnight. And the portal??? Good luck trying to keep guys like Amare Thomas, Connor Weigman, & Austin Carlisle from jumping into it.
It seems that the point has been lost: the main question is not whether CWF is worth $8M, but whether UH, in its current financial condition, can afford to pay him $8M. First off, we are not generating the revenue that many of our fellow Big 12 conference mates are generating. Forget about the fact that we aren’t selling season tickets or even game day tickets, but we are not receiving our full share of the conference revenue. Secondly, even with our record, we don’t seem to be generating sufficient fan support or NIL investments. As such, when we do finally get the revenue from the TV deal, that money will need to be directed toward NIL, players salaries, and House Settlement Payments. So in other words, that money is probably already spent. Let’s also keep in mind that we have other sports that also need money: baseball, women’s basketball, softball, track, golf, etc.
Now, would I give CWF a raise to $8M? No. Would I be opposed to it if someone wants to pay for that raise out of their own pocket? No, it is a free country and a fool and his money will soon part and often does. However, when you have LSU complaining about having to pay Chip Kelly, that sort of tells you where the finances of many university athletic programs are at the moment. There are way, way, way, more big time programs scrounging seat cushions for dough than people realize.
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Your constant mischaracterization and personal attacks are exhausting.
I didn’t say it wasn’t a good win. I said it wasn’t the kind of credential that makes a team back up the brinks truck for a guy. You don’t give a Head Coach that doesn’t appear to be on anyone’s radar a $3.5 Million extension for an upset win and a recruit who can still decommit.
Why do we not have a choice but to give him a raise? What’s he going to do, take one of the zero jobs that he’s a serious candidate for?
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