Moving to electric vehicles will dull recessions currently inflated by oil

If we choose to not buy based on moral issues of countries there are a lot more we should stop buying from.

Or we make trade agreements that allow us to slowly influence their country. Trade isn’t just about goods. It also helps information to flow.

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WOW

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That headline is a bit click bait but Cybertruck owners say Tesla will not accept its own vehicle as a trade-in.

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Correct it’s all fake outrage, or at best virtue signaling about China and other “slavish” labor imports. I’m not judging people for it, as I am more guilty than I would like. Though I’ve gotten better about my consumer choices.

However to get back on track, while I’m not immediately opposed to locking China out of the US market EV wise. They are making vastly superior products in this space, and if domestics and other international makers here don’t catch up, I don’t think you let them fall victim to the exact reason high trade barriers are bad. The fact that they allow companies to get even fatter on inferior and lazily made products. You have to unleash BYD and Co. on the market if they refuse to catch up. Or some other carrots and sticks

A few weeks ago I traveled outside the country and rode in botha Greely and BYD EV i was really surprised by the look, quality and ride of those cars. I didn’t note which ones exactly or if they are top of the line one for those brands but they were better than Teslas.

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Interesting take; I’ve never ridden in one and don’t foresee an opportunity
in my future of doing so.

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Yeah they are absolutely killing it, the way those cars are getting engineered it’s going to make the Japanese automakers in 70’s look like a small disruptive blip in comparison.

I personally would give the manufacturers 3 years to get their acts together on this or they get turned loose on the market.

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Hey did the vehicle contain a slaves list with their signatures marked in red to produce this product?

Hey did the vehicle maker disclosed all of the trade marks laws that they willingly broke?

Hey did the vehicle maker disclose the wages and workers conditions to produce these products?

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I did see a red tag in the cars. It said why has 90210 not personaly saved us.

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“Self driving” is now a huge albatross around Tesla’s neck. Wonder how much better they would be doing had they not been wasting so much time on it?

Very interesting read. Musk promises and people take it for fact.

I always wondered what happens if your on the busy freeway in full FSD mode and your HW computer conks out. Does it have a hot standby second computer that takes over instantly…or would you need 3 computers , all voting, to operate and drive the car, kinda like the space shuttle had.

You don’t think the MIT and Cal Tech educated engineers working at Tesla thought of that?

I’ve worked and implemented hot failover standby computer systems and they
are not pretty are instantaneous. I’m curious of the specific solution they
employ. Traveling 60mph on busy freeway and the computer fails unexpectedly.

Edit: I’ve done HA on IBM which is High Availability that is Active-Passive and
not Active-Active. Active-Passive is the easier of the 2 by a long shot, but I can’t
tell you how many times the config was wrong and the failover failed. Likewise, it’s far from instantaneous…which Active-Active is. And some times other OS updates screwed up the failover software. From what I’ve read Tesla was recently doing
Active-Passive it sounds like.

Tesla’s custom-designed Full Self-Driving computer is actually two separate computers, each one equipped with its own processors, memory, and storage. Each of these separate computers also run an operating system that is identical, yet separate, from its counterpart. This design makes the system extra safe, since if one computer crashes, the other could simply take over. That being said, before the most recent update, Tesla has only been running one of HW3’s two computers.

This meant that if the Autopilot software failed or crashed, drivers would be required to take over control of the vehicle. With dual redundancy in the picture, the FSD computer could, at least theoretically, failover to the other computer if one crashes. By doing so, Autopilot would likely not disengage, even if one of the FSD unit’s computers needs to reboot. It should be noted that these are but theories for now, as Tesla has not provided the full specifics of the FSD unit’s redundancy systems yet.

And let’s not forget the recent lessons with MCAS that Boeing had.
Never assume really smart guys got it covered.

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At the rate technology changes, isn’t it possible that the AI software that runs the FSD outpaced the hardware? Software is released all the time that is incompatible with older computers, especially 10 year old computers.

You’re right, hardware becomes obsolete quickly. I think Tesla’s get software updates all the time too. And you never know if the latest update has a BIG problem in it. Remember the 2024 CrowdStrike incident that shutdown computers all over the world ?

The outage disrupted daily life, businesses, and governments around the world. Many industries were affected—airlines, airports, banks, hotels, hospitals, manufacturing, stock markets, broadcasting, gas stations, retail stores, and governmental services, such as emergency services and websites.[4][5]

This caught some posters, evidently so.

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They know the audience that watches these shows and pander to them with propaganda

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Queue “Time Is On My Side”…

https://insideevs.com/news/756701/general-motors-ev-battery-production-overtakes-tesla/

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Good read; numbers in there pretty impressive to me.

Worldwide sales up 29% (BEV + PHEV).

Global sales of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles rose 29% year-on-year in March, helped by growth in China and Europe, while EV growth in North America was hampered by U.S

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/global-electric-vehicle-sales-up-29-march-researchers-find-2025-04-15/

Somewhere in cyberspace 51 yells.

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